• Besson 700 Euphonium

This article needs additional citations for. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (February 2017) Besson Genre Musical instrument manufacturers Founded 1837 Headquarters Website Besson is a manufacturer of. It is owned by, which bought Besson in 2006 from. The company was formed in 1837 by, who at the age of 18 produced a revolutionary design of which surpassed all contemporary models. His products quickly gained a great reputation throughout Europe. In 1857, he moved to England where he built a large factory in London from which his instruments took a share of the English market and from where he exported to many countries including the.

The modern company produces a range of, and. In its history, Besson also produced a number of other brass instruments, including a huge 'triple' B♭ tuba.

Contents. History In 1837, (1820–1874) created the Besson brand in Paris with his new cornet. His instruments became famous in Europe, and he has been credited with over fifty inventions. In 1858, following a long series of lawsuits with, Gustave-Auguste Besson left Paris to build a factory in London.

Over the following years, Besson continued to manufacture in Paris and London, and also had warehouses for distribution in Brussels, Charleroi, Madrid and Barcelona. Following Gustave-Auguste Besson’s death in 1874, the company changed its name, becoming Fontaine-Besson in 1880 in France, and Besson in England. At the same time, another English manufacturer was becoming well-known:, born in London in 1819. Henry Distin and his new fluegel horn were active in the development of brass bands in England.

He created a new line of instruments under his own name, and in 1872 the Distin brand was bought by Boosey (a music publisher since 1792, and a manufacturer of instruments since 1851). Blaikely, the inventor in 1878 of an automatically compensation tuning system for valves collaborated with Distin, and together they developed a new range and improved existing models. In the 1930s in Paris, Strasser Marigaux and Lemaire, SML, all produced instruments for Besson with Aubertin. In 1957, Couesnon bought the French company Fontaine Besson. In London, at the same time, Boosey & Co and Hawkes & Sons of England merged to create the group.

At the end of the nineteenth century (1894), the Besson factory of London employed 131 workers, producing 100 brass instruments a week, and no less than 10,000 musical ensembles appeared on their contact lists. In 1925, Besson purchased Quilter, and Wheatstone & Co. In 1948, the group acquired the Besson London brand. In 2003, separated from the cream of the crop in French wind instrument manufacturing, to join The Music Group.

In 2006, at the initiative of its CEO, Paul Baronnat. Acquires two famous brass instrument brands, Paris (created in 1803) and Besson (created in 1837). The company became Groupe, with two subsidiaries, in the United States and Japan, and in November 2007, it appointed as new Chief Executive Officer. By joining the Group, Besson has restructured and relaunched its production of professional instruments in Germany and France.

The Besson student instruments continue to be manufactured in the factory near Delhi, in India, under the supervision of specialists from the Group. Models. Concertiste - Besson's most expensive model from the 1890s to the advent of. The bowed-out shape of the Concertiste's intervalve portings is the design favoured today. Desideratum - Besson's second most expensive model. The main difference in configuration between the Desideratum and the Concertiste models is the relationship of the leadpipe to the third valve slide. Counterfeit 'Bessons' instruments A flood of very poor quality Indian-made instruments bearing the name Bessons entered the market in the late 1990s.

They are unrelated to the Besson instruments manufactured by the company with that name. Many sales are made through. With cursory examination, any serious brass player would be able to recognise that these instruments are wholly inferior to real Besson instruments, and also of much poorer quality than even the cheapest of student instruments produced by reputable manufacturers. The fake instruments, particularly, cornets, euphoniums, and, are likely to feature a 'serial number' of H.75983 (or 84059) embossed on the top of the bell and keys are often hexagonal in plan view. Similar counterfeit instruments, possibly made at the same factories, have been falsely branded with other reputable manufacturers' names, such as and Boosey. These instruments are best described as novelty items since they are shoddily built from very thin metal and they are often unplayable (due to faults in the manufacturing) and untunable (the are simply ornamentation - they do not work). Guitars Besson guitars were produced in the 1950s.

They were badged as Besson Aristone. These guitars were imported and often rebranded.

Many of them were made. There was also a model made by Framus in the Besson name designed by jazz guitarist. See also., owner of a triple B flat Besson, one of the largest playable Tubas in the world. References.

• • • • • • • • -:: Author Message Don Christensen Regular Member Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 69 Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:32 am Post subject: Trumpet's big brother - vintage Besson Euphonium I just picked up a used Besson euphonium and was hoping there's someone on this forum knowledgeable in this area who can tell me what I have and if it's worth getting fixed up/restored. I was hoping to replace my old baritone with this. SN: 481XXX Engraving says: 50 medals of honor (monogram) BESSON London-Paris-New York Made in England 3+1 valves I gave it a warm bath last night and let it soak overnight.it appears to not have been cleaned for at least 30 years. The buildup of gunk in the lead pipe is horrific.

There's a mouthpiece adapter frozen in the receiver, the valve caps and bottoms are frozen and about half the tuning slides are stuck as well. I did manage to remove valves 2, 3 and 4, the corrosion on valve #2 worries me.I can't get the cap off of the first valve to remove it. It's not even seated properly, as the cap is about 1 thread higher. The funny thing is, I purchased this horn off of Craigslist from an retired guy who claims to have played this instrument professionally for 30 years. I can't imagine any professional allowing his working horn to get into this kind of disgusting condition. Personally, I think he found it at a garage sale/estate sale and was just feeding me a bunch of BS about playing it professionally.

I wouldn't have purchased it if I knew it was in this kind of shape. Am I correct in assuming this is going to need a valve job? Valve #2 and 4 where extremely difficult to remove from the valve casing. /img veery715 Heavyweight Member Joined: 13 Aug 2007 Posts: 4100 Location: Ithaca NY Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:39 am Post subject: A mouthpiece puller will get that adaptor out.

I don't know if the valve will clean up, but a short soak in soapy water with a bit of vinegar will help. I would say the horn was not very playable and you might have been suckered. But if it cleans up OK then maybe not. I would take it to a tech for a workover. veery715 One cannot argue with a stone.

Our2pt2 Veteran Member Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Posts: 129 Location: Lancaster, PA Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:49 am Post subject: The plating issues on the valves will need to be addressed if you want them to perform well. Re-plating and fitting on this horn is very time consuming because the valve section will need to be removed to do the job right. In my opinion, even if you need to put another $500 into the horn, you could still sell it and make money, if that is your desire. Full compensating Besson euphoniums are desirable. Curtis Palmer Carol Brass Custom 8830 Bb Carol Brass Custom 5262 C Palmer Bb Cornet royjohn Heavyweight Member Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 2010 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:45 am Post subject: trumpet's big brother - vintage Besson euphonium What you have here is a Besson 3+1 compensating euphonium from about 1970 by the serial number list I consulted. I'm confused about the adapter in the receiver, as before about 1975 I thought they took the small shank European mouthpieces.

I could be wrong or the adapter could be to allow it to take baritone or trombone mouthpieces. I'm not all that concerned about the plating corrosion as I think there is enough good plating to retain a pretty good seal. Just make sure you get the pitting rubbed smooth so that it doesn't score the valve casings any more than is done already. You will just have to see how it plays to decide whether it needs a valve job. It is true that on instruments like these it is usually necessary to remove the valve cluster to redo the valves, making it pretty expensive.

Still, I bought a 1975 in very good shape for $1400 and I thought I got a great deal. I think this horn, in good shape, could go for $2500 or more. Judging by the valve caps, I think this is the 'New Standard' model. Bessons imported into the US were labeled the way yours is because of some kind of trademark restrictions, but they are indeed Besson New Standards, a top of the line model of the time. They are labeled differently for sale in the UK.

These lower brass instruments have their intonation issues, but I find that mine is very much in tune. It is possible to get a very good or very bad one, as most folks say that Besson's quality control wasn't that good in that time period. The supposedly correct mouthpiece for this is the Wick 4A or 4AL, depending on what shank you have, or maybe the Steve Meade SM4.

It seems that mouthpieces on these instruments are much more dependent on the horn than the player. That said, if you decide to play it, you might want something bigger or more likely smaller than this size. This euph is the instrument of choice for that range in the British Brass band.

Unfortunately there are few of these in the US. Of course, you can play it in your local community band or maybe even do some jazz on it. Even more mellow than a flugel!

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Besson 700 Euphonium

There are several tuba/euph forums where you could find more info. If you work at it with some WD40 and a felt or tape covered needle nose pliers, you might have some luck getting some of those valve caps off yourself. Try WD40 and pulling the slides by jerking a towel or rag, but you may need professional help there. Really a nice instrument, if limited somewhat in opportunities for playing. If it is really gunky, it might need a professional cleaning. royjohn Trumpets: 1928 Holton Llewellyn Model, 1957 Holton 51LB, 2010 Custom C by Bill Jones, 2011 Custom D/Eb by Bill Jones Flugels: 1975 Olds Superstar, 1970's Elkhardt, 1970's Getzen 4 valve Cornet: 1970's Yamaha YCR-233S.

And others. Don Christensen Regular Member Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 69 Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:10 pm Post subject: Thanks guys, I knew there would be a few TH'rs on here that could tell me what I've gotten myself into. Royjohn, I'm guessing that the mouthpiece receiver is a large shank. The adapter reduces it down to a small shank size and the mouthpiece that came with the horn was a bach 6 1/2 AL baritone/trombone piece. I took the instrument down to the local repair tech during my lunch break and he was pretty excited to see it. He's also a low brass player and owns a similar besson euphonium, so hopefully he should be able to put it in good condition for me. I'm just hoping the red rot isn't too bad.

He's going to give it a chem bath, pull out the adapter, free the slides and valve caps/bottoms and polish the valves if necessary. I just told him to go a head and do whatever it takes to get it back in playing condition. I'll consider a valve job once I've had a chance to play it. I have a large shank Bach 3G that I plan on using with this horn once it's fixed up.

Great to know that there is some value in this instrument, despite it's poor care. I was worried that I got ripped off for a while there.

Royjohn Heavyweight Member Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 2010 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:59 pm Post subject: trumpet's big brother - vintage Besson euphonium I did a little research over at David Werden's site. Saw your post over there. I had thought that Besson changed over to the large receiver in 1975, the year mine was made. Apparently that is true, according to one post, but the large receiver was an option in 1970. So, if you do have a large receiver, either it was changed or perhaps it was original as an option.

The Bach 3G is about 26.26mm in ID, between the SM3 and the SM4, so it should work in the Besson. Not way out of scale, anyway.

YMMV, depending on your sound concept, your lips and intonation issues. royjohn Trumpets: 1928 Holton Llewellyn Model, 1957 Holton 51LB, 2010 Custom C by Bill Jones, 2011 Custom D/Eb by Bill Jones Flugels: 1975 Olds Superstar, 1970's Elkhardt, 1970's Getzen 4 valve Cornet: 1970's Yamaha YCR-233S. And others. Don Christensen Regular Member Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 69 Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:45 am Post subject: RoyJohn, thanks for all the help.

I talked to the repair guy and he says his Wick 4AL only goes into the receiver about 1/4', so it sounds like I've got a European shank. Would it be worth trying to convert the horn to a large shank?

Royjohn Heavyweight Member Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 2010 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:44 pm Post subject: trumpet's big brother - vintage Besson euphonium Really depends who you ask on that. Some people say that the 1975 and later models, when they changed to the large shank, ruined the intonation and it was only made right when some other changes were made later on - I think it was a twelve inch as opposed to an eleven inch bell, but I'm not sure on that. I really have not found my 1975er with the large shank that out of tune, but what do I know, I play for my own amazement. With the large shank, you do have a larger choice of mouthpieces, but the Wick and Steve Meade mouthpieces are all available in the small shank anyway and they are typically what the British Brass Band folks use in these horns. That is not to say that you don't have a bigger choice with Kelly's and Bach's and various other mouthpieces in the large shank.

The small shank will be a 4A and the large a 4AL, & etc. Look at the Wick website. You could use a Kelly and cut it down to fit, probably. About twenty bucks per experiment. If you play one of these things, you have to spend some time with a tuner in front of you anyway Korg CA-30 is good and also cheap, so my advice would be to try out what you have and see how well in tune you can get.

You can even try a large shank mpc in it and see if that works. Some partials will be out no matter what you do and using fingering substitutions is considered required to get as close as you can. For example I am playing what would be top line F on a trumpet as 1-3.

That said, some folks install a trigger on the main slide or pull slides for some notes. If the small shank doesn't work out, I would have a tech remove it and then you can slip on the large shank and try it out and compare with the small before you go ahead and have it soldered on. It's a different sort of instrument from the trumpet, way flugelish in fact, more flugelish than a flugel, if you catch my drift. Also requires more breath than breath pressure, but if you really want to bust your lungs, try a BBb tuba. There is a reason big guys play those and it isn't just because they are heavy. There is no such thing as too much breath for one of those. That said, you can learn to expand your rib cage more and add capacity.

Let me know how it goes! royjohn Trumpets: 1928 Holton Llewellyn Model, 1957 Holton 51LB, 2010 Custom C by Bill Jones, 2011 Custom D/Eb by Bill Jones Flugels: 1975 Olds Superstar, 1970's Elkhardt, 1970's Getzen 4 valve Cornet: 1970's Yamaha YCR-233S. And others. Display posts from previous: - All times are GMT - 8 Hours Page 1 of 1 Jump to: You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum.